I went to visit DAZ this morning and they have a link on their home page devoted to Poser content.  That is pretty cool!

I think they must be missing us... or at least our money!

ROFL, just the money, no doubt.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha, it reeks of desperation.

Eek.

Laurie

As I always sayd, Money makes the world go 'round and the small base of D|S users is not enough to keep the business running.

The next thing, be ensured, will be a V5 that also works in Poser.

Perhaps they are reminding us that despite rumors to the contrary,  they do still sell items for Poser users. I never have used Daz studio, but found a lot of useful items there. Probably half my runtime. Still have a number on my wishlist.

  80 gb, Daz and RMP, mostly Daz.

my P7 is on a 100gb hard drive partition.  only 18gbs left. 

I'm still installing to P7 library.  PP12 runtime is only what Poser comes with.

Quote - Perhaps they are reminding us that despite rumors to the contrary,  they do still sell items for Poser users. I never have used Daz studio, but found a lot of useful items there. Probably half my runtime. Still have a number on my wishlist.

I have tons on my list too, however, everything lately has been genesis related releases. Oh well, thats ok, saves me moolah.

Well I have been a PC member for years, and that will end when it expires.  I live in Texas so I have to pay sales tax when i buy there.  I visit there daily, check the forums and new releases.  I have not bought anything this year that my monthly voucher + the vouchers they provide have not covered the cost, but I still have to pay the sales tax.

Any vendors that sell exclusivly there are effectivly off of my buy list.

Bill

AHEM

Feel free to discuss, just let's make sure it's not site-fightey ;)

??? not trying to start a fight.

We were talking about the DAZ site.

Anything I buy there costs me 8.5% more than any other site. 

If you are not a Texas resident that does not affect you.  It does enter into any purchase choices for me.  If a vendor sells at both DAZ and Rendo I will buy at rendo.  Has nothing to do with DAZ bad/Rendo good.  Has to do with cheaper.

Bill

I'm sure the mods' spider senses are tingling at the prospect of yet another boring DAZ vs Poser 'discussion'.

I observe, however, that I haven't bought a thing from DAZ for about 6 months, partly due to a lack of compatibility with Poser, partly because they're not producing stuff that I want, and partly because their installers are a confused and annoying mess.

If they're readjusting their focus as far as Poser users are concerned, for whatever reason, it's a positive thing. 

Quote - I'm sure the mods' spider senses are tingling at the prospect of yet another boring DAZ vs Poser 'discussion'.

This is most of it.  My post was a friendly reminder to KEEP it friendly :)  

I will observe that there is a big difference between Poser ready, and Poser compliant. A difference that I hope will become readily apparent in the very near future. :)

lmk

Waiting for this one to appear at a certain site!!! LOL.

Come back Poser users, all is forgiven. Don't forget to bring your money with you.

All the best.

LROG

They're still posting new stuff for V4 over there, as well as props, poses, hair etc. that work in Poser. But there's no doubt that more and more of the new stuff is for Genesis, as you would expect.

My Platinum Club membership doesn't expire until Feb 2013. I bought it for $69.95 mostly because it came with a $30 instant voucher and another $72 worth of monthly vouchers through the year, plus the PC discounts. I always find at least one thing every month worth applying the $6 voucher toward, but I admit it's getting harder. By Feb 2013 it will be clear whether the ratio of non-Genesis product is worth having a PC membership.

I never enter from the front page so I haven't sen; I enter from the forums. I think it's good to remind us they still sell Poser stuff. :) Their PA sale this year had me wondering if it is only DS and Genesis and V5 from now on...

One has to wonder if they are starting to remember to "dance with the one that brung ya."

BTW, Jack Tomalin's new product isn't exclusive to DAZ.  He's selling it on his site as well.

Interesting phrasing on that banner: "ready to use Poser models."  I guess that makes Genesis "not ready to use Poser models."  ;-)

I still buy at DAZ if they have stuff I want.  I even renewed my PC membership this month.  Might be for the last time, though.  It's not just Genesis; they're talking about making big changes to the PC in terms of pricing, etc. 

But I agree about their horrible installers.  They're constantly changing; some require a lot of effort to install into Poser.  Even the ones that work are a pain.  So many screens.  Do you want to install an uninstaller.  This item is protected by copyright.  Do you agree to our terms?  Poser or DAZ Studio (but only DAZ Studio works for me, even with Poser).  Specify a path or pick from our list.  Etc.  It's very tedious  if you're installing a bunch of stuff. 

Quote - One has to wonder if they are starting to remember to "dance with the one that brung ya."

BTW, Jack Tomalin's new product isn't exclusive to DAZ.  He's selling it on his site as well.

Which, for me, means he is selling 8.5% cheaper than DAZ.

Bill

Glad you all noticed the reminder.  We certainly want Poser users to know we have not abandoned them at all.  Never did, never planned to, never even thought about it. 

In fact, if you look at this current PA sale, of the 21 featured items, only 4 are Genesis/DAZ Studio only.  We are being extremely careful to make sure we are still providing great content for those who are using Poser. It is difficult to make sure that message goes out loud and clear when so many seem intent on spreading rumors, lies and other misinformation.  In an effort to counteract that, we are increasing our efforts to remind Poser users that DAZ is still the best place to find the best content for the best models from the best artists.

Obviously we will continue to provide cutting edge content for the award winning Genesis, and there is a stong demand for Genesis content (and if you have not taken the opportunity to DL the free version of DAZ Studio and give Genesis a test drive to see what all the excitement is about, you really should-- there is a reason the industry experts selected it as the innovation of the year), but that does not, in any way mean we have abandoned Poser, poser users, or those who simply are more comfortable with the older figures.

Anyway... thank you for noticing our message to poser users.  Hoepfully this will help calm some of those crying, bemoaing and perpetuating the myth that DAZ is abandoning, cutting off, or disassociating with Poser users.

LOL, are you kidding me? My posts were removed?

I better never, EVER hear anyone complaining about DAZ supposedly censoring anyone in their forums again.

SnowS

The rule goes both ways, folks.  No DAZ Bashing, and no bashing folks that are simply voicing their opinions.  If you can't respect that people have opinions, then please find some other community that will allow you to act in such a manner.

Kevin, thank you for coming in and clarifying.  It's refreshing when we have information that comes right from the source.

Jeni

Quote - LOL, are you kidding me? My posts were removed?

I better never, EVER hear anyone complaining about DAZ supposedly censoring anyone in their forums again.

 

SnowS

They only remove posts if you're shit-stirring.

And if someone mentions it you'll do what then? I'm tired of all of it - from both sides.

Laurie

SnowSultan, please check your sitemail.

"They only remove posts if you're shit-stirring."

I was not shit-stirring, I was complaining about the DAZ-bashing. I would hope that stating my opinion, even if unpopular here, is still allowed.

If you wish to share your opinion, please do so without attacking those who are doing the same.  

I hope this also helps dispell some of the DAZ vs. RMP rumors as well, as I know some of those have been stirring up too.  Just to state DAZ's postion:  We love Renderosity, love working with everyone at Renderosity and look forward to many years of working together with Renderosity.

Quote - Kevin, thank you for coming in and clarifying.  It's refreshing when we have information that comes right from the source.

 

Jeni

Same here, Kevin!  We're doing our best to allow open conversation on BOTH sides of the fence, while remembering that we not only all have our own, sometimes differing opinions, they are never a reason to attack anyone, singly or in a group.

I moderate both Renderosity's Poser and DAZ|Studio forums, so it's not like I'm showing preferential treatment...it's just that these threads don't happen in the DS forum.  Someone asks the pros/cons of the programs, and people give them.  There is no attacking, no riled up attitudes.  Just simple facts.  

Jeni

One rule for all.

All the best.

LROG

"Bwahahahahahahahahaha, it reeks of desperation."

LOL!! how is it "desperation" to sell Content to a Diverse customer base ( brycers, Carrara users,hexgon user,poser users)

its not all about nekkid V-chicks for some of us.
I still user DAZ's  high quality "poser" stuff from Stonemason in My animation work.
I am glad that Daz  Still actually offers high quality poser content& props available right now.

instead of Vague promises & Declarations about phantom future products in ridiculous 80 point typeface
in their forum signatures.

Cheers

And just think of al those that bought the V4M4 shapes that are given away on the dvd of the December issue of ImagineFX!!

Wait a few months and then V5 will be on the DVD of every 3D magaine.

A certain site has realised that Studio alone products do not bring in the money.

All the best.

LROG

To be fair, just because an item is available free on a disc doesn't automatically downgrade their quality or worth.  

I've purchased SEVERAL discs from 3DWorld, 3DArtist, 3DCreative, ImagineFX, and more.  I usually purchase for the content of the magazines, and see the content as a bonus.  I've gotten a lot of discs that have items that I've already purchased or wouldn't have purchased on their own.  I think the only exception was a copy of Carrarra (I don't remember which version, it was 2 years ago), but that was after the next version had already come out in the store at DAZ.  That doesn't mean that, because I paid $15US for the magazine and got the software that everyone who paid more got screwed over.  DAZ, and other content providers, sometimes pay money to be included in the discs, and it's simply a form of advertisement to them.  Those discs have included several of vendors from our own store, as well.

Still less money to the company and as they have found, they need still needPoser users to bring in the money.

All the best.

LROG

shrug  That's just speculation.  I don't have DAZ's books in front of me, but, I would suppose that a company that is hurting for money wouldn't advertise their product by giving it away, they'd do everything they can to utilize word-of-mouth.  

but, I would suppose that a company that is hurting for money wouldn't advertise their product by giving it away, they'd do everything they can to utilize word-of-mouth.

It's done very day in the busines world, compaines still keep selling right up until they are declared bankrupt. Often givong away products as they go.

All the best.

LROG

Well, do me a favor.  Until you know for SURE, why not keep the speculation out of threads like this.  They can quickly turn to libel, and that's not good for anyone.

I have not gone against the TOS, so there is no need for that type of attitude.

I have answered in a cival way to a qustion you asked.

All the best.

LROG

Quote - Still less money to the company and as they have found, they need still needPoser users to bring in the money.

All the best.

LROG

LOL...I don't think DAZ ever said they don't need the poser users, and they never stopped catering to poser users either.

They still highly encourage us PA's develop for both programs, as they are still activly marketing poser products along with d/s products.

There really is no division, there is just seperate product lines for those who want them.

I really dont understand why there are conspiracy stories started, because they really make no sense.

My intentions in creating this thread was to let people know that DAZ has a section on their web site specifically for Poser users.  I didn't mean to make it another DAZ/Poser debate.  I believe that both companies (Smith Micro and DAZ) will work together and provide the best content for both communities.

Quote - I have not gone against the TOS, so there is no need for that type of attitude.

I have answered in a cival way to a qustion you asked.

All the best.

LROG

I have simply asked that you not continue down that line of thinking.  No attitude involved, just a request.

All I know is, I got my Michael 4 Complete finally after being on sale for half off -- good to not use an incomplete "base" figure.

They are a bit pricey, and hardely ever any sales.  That's why I love here - great products, prices, and customer service.  A win/win situation!

Quote - They are a bit pricey, and hardely ever any sales.

This isn't the place to pitch for DAZ, but they do have sales. New products are typically 30% off for an introductory period. Platinum Club (their version of Prime Club) members see a discount of their own.

I grant you, the "regular" price at DAZ can be a bit steep at times compared to a similar product here. But then a few vendors at Rendo don't seem to follow prevailing market prices, either.

As people told me over at DAZ, if I think $14.95 for a simple halter top is steep (plus another 8.95 if I want a nice selection of textures), I should visit some of the "pro" sites and be prepared to pick my jaw off the floor.

We often forget that vendors have to pay anywhere from 30% to 50% of each sale to the host site. And, like DAZ, there is usually an introductory discount. Some of us hardly ever buy anything unless it's discounted or couponed in some fashion. Must be discouraging at times for a vendor, if you must price your item at $9.95 to start with, see it sell for $6.95 at discount, maybe lose another 20% to a coupon, and then pay the site at least 30% of what's left. Consumers forget all that stuff sometimes.

I, like a few others, have cancelled my PC membership at Daz for the sole reason that it was getting increasingly difficult to find something to spend my money on.  Nothing to do with me hating Daz, in fact without them I would never have found out about the 3D world and had a play with a free version of Daz.  Without that, and finding the fun to be had, I doubt I would have risked so much hard earned cash on Poser.  

I use Poser and not Daz but that is just a person choice.  I hope Daz continue to prosper and I do still buy from them but on rare occasions.  Forgetting the 'G' debate I do think Daz do need to look at the PC benefits, I mean I joined 'Prime' after leaving PC and have found quite it worthwhile so far.  I would join PC again if I could see the benefit and I look at the Daz site most days as I do with Rendo.  Five years ago my purchases were 100% Daz, two years ago it was about 50/50 with Daz and Rendo with some titles from RDNA.  This year it is more like 10-1 in favour of Rendo with the same occasional purchase from RDNA.  Although on checking I was surprised to find I have actually purchased more from RDNA than Daz this year.   Nothing to do with hating Daz or 'G' for that matter just very little for me spend my money on, could be me that has changed of course, but I am not the only PC member to state they have/ are leaving in regent months.

In their zipped/installer forms, my purchases are about 28GB from Daz and 18GB from everywhere else combined. So Daz has been a fine company from whom I've been glad to buy things, and their refund policy is excellent. Before 2011, I made most of my 3D content purchases at their store.

That said, very similar products offered by the same merchants do seem to be significantly cheaper here, and Rendo has lots of sales and coupons. Daz's PC club used to be a major factor in my loyalty to them. But Rendo's Prime came at exactly the right time.

It makes perfect sense to me that Daz would devote a section of their website to Poser content, if for no other reason than to combat the impressions (or dispel the rumours) that they don't create it any more.

My only complaints about their store are that they're far too skimpwear oriented, bizarrely uptight about things such as nipples on Genesis textures, have slow forums largely filled with commercial threads, and their "scavenger-hunt" mentality towards sales sometimes makes finding things needlessly difficult. But there's plenty to like. They're fine. Just a bit pricey and slightly weird.

Just a word on free things in magazines. I got my first taste of Cinema 4D from a magazine freebie. Then the upgrades started, and Maxon made a couple thousand off that one copy. They've done anything but go out of business.

A free V4? Then you need clothes, and hair, and characters, and shoes, maybe even a couple of scenes...  It's a proven sales technique, even if  the sales aren't all at one business. And it gets the figure into hands that may have never considered using it before.

Quote - I, like a few others, have cancelled my PC membership at Daz for the sole reason that it was getting increasingly difficult to find something to spend my money on. 

Nothing to do with hating Daz or 'G' for that matter just very little for me spend my money on, could be me that has changed of course, but I am not the only PC member to state they have/ are leaving in regent months.

No, you are not alone. I cancelled my PC membership too and buy nothing at Daz these days. I am spending far more here at Renderosity now and I am loving the Prime section. Thanks for some great products and some great deals, Rendo! :)

Quote - One has to wonder if they are starting to remember to "dance with the one that brung ya."

BTW, Jack Tomalin's new product isn't exclusive to DAZ.  He's selling it on his site as well.

That's different.  DAZ usually wants exclusivity in sales. 

Quote - BTW, Jack Tomalin's new product isn't exclusive to DAZ.  He's selling it on his site as well.

 That's new. As far as I know, if you sell at Daz they want you to sell that item nowhere else. Unless they've changed that recently. Sure it wasn't on his site with a link to Daz? AprilYSH does that but hers are links back to the Daz item page.

Laurie

edit: I checked his site. He does sell it thru his site. They must have changed that requirement ;).

Attached Link: https://helpdaz.zendesk.com/entries/124121-can-i-sell-the-product-s-through-another-vendor-broker-at-the-same-time-i-am-selling-at-daz-3d