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Subject: Is there a decent pearl shader out there for Poser 9/Pro 2012?
I'm trying a render just now with a yellow sort of base color and orange candy color...
That last one took a while, I'd made it unnecessarily big 
The set is my attempt at doing some modelling... SamTherapy has been giving me some help and advice there... was just trying to render it and see how it was working in Poser.
It's shaded with some furniture set shaders... although the floor is meant to be one of the marbles, believe it or not. Think I might need to do something with the UV mapping setup.
Despite the lack of marble, there's a subtle pinstripe effect on the floor, which I quite liked 
Ah - well I deduce that your lighting is very low.
The diffuse reflection on kitty's belly is not even producing 128. Assuming you're using my typical .8 Diffuse_Value, that means your light level is:
((127 / 255) ** 2.2) / .8 = about .27
This (.8 white) is also what the level is of the base coat.
The BRG tint is very dark and will overwhelm that.
You can do two things - increase the overall light levels by nearly 4x, or make the Candy Thickness lower.
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Test prop with BRG Candy Paint. (Note: My version is slightly different.)
Left is a light meter with 80% diffuse in the middle. Right is a light meter in meter mode.
This is low EnvSphere light - no Poser lights.
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The green is actually darker here than high Env sphere lighting, but it's less even - more concentrated by the single-direction light source.
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By the way, the ground is white candy paint.
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We modulate:
Displacement
Candy Thickness
IOR - the only tricky one - it's 1 or 1.5 (1 + .5 * tile)
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I use two Blinn, but only one reflect in the candy paint, crazy paint, candy glitter, and candy satin flame.
Only candy silver and candy gold use double reflect.
However, all use double specular.
There is also a trick to the candy color. Three nodes.
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I think your candy coat secret is safe, cause if I've gotten maybe a small part I certainly don't have all of it :P Not even close...lol. I have an idea but no clue how to implement it. I'm revisiting the chalcedony shader, with which I wasn't at all happy. Chacedony is rather clear around the edges as you look at it then gets more and more translucent the deeper into the stone. I'm somewhat satisfied with what I've got - I wish it was more clear around the edges, but oh well ;). Is it possible to plug a ridiculous number into an edge blend? Like 20 or more? I have the outer color going to a refract and the inner going to a scatter. Or should I be plugging something into the edge blend's attenuation? Signed, Totally Clueless
Don't blush. I got tripped up by that more than once. Started adjusting the shader instead of the floor!
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Wow.. that is brilliant, BB. Completely spot on.
Laurie, I hear yah completely. I am such not a math brain and so often it comes down to a calculation (which I don't even know) to get something right. Seems a little over most people's heads when they are delving into the higher math trees.
I use the heck out of EZ skin now all the time. I wish I had something like it for the other materials that I could use for my models.
Quote - I wish I had something like it for the other materials that I could use for my models.
I'm moving in that direction. Until P9/PP2012 was widely in use, there were poor options for user interface. Now we have wx and it is very easy to build a good UI.
This candy paint project will probably be the last one in which I deliver hundreds of shaders and I have to guess what colors you'll want and which variations are worth generating. Instead I'll deliver software that builds the shaders. I'm using that now but it has no UI - I have to write code for each new thing I want to do.
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The code looks like this.
colors = [ (IColor(50, 50, 50), 'Black'), (IColor(230, 230, 230), 'White'), (IColor(25, 25, 85), 'Midnight Blue'), (IColor(60, 5, 5), "Deep Red"), (IColor(100, 10, 35), "Burgundy Red"), (IColor(228, 184, 201), "Pale Pink"), (IColor(217, 236, 255), "Powder Blue"), (IColor(65, 40, 45), "Cordovan"), (IColor(100, 115, 100), "Williamsburg Green"), (IColor(91, 110, 126), "Limestone Blue"), (IColor(128, 136, 87), "Monkey Green"), (IColor(143, 108, 108), "Hemlock Rose"), (IColor(212, 167, 95), "Honeysuckle"), (IColor(240, 225, 206), "Cream"), (IColor(245, 223, 173), "Wheat"), (IColor(93, 128, 162), "Rustic Blue"), (IColor(190, 200, 180), "Farmhouse Green"), (IColor(180, 180, 180), "Gray"), (IColor(0xcd, 0x85, 0x3f), "Peru"), (IColor(0xd8, 0xbf, 0xd8), "Thistle"), (IColor(0xff, 0xeb, 0xcd) * .9, "Almond"), (IColor(107, 107, 30), "Olive"), (IColor(30, 127, 127), "Teal"), (IColor(235, 129, 129), "Coral"), (IColor(139, 69, 19), "Chocolate"), (IColor(206, 183, 70), "Goldenrod"), (IColor(200, 25, 25), "Red"), (IColor(150, 25, 25), "Cherry Red"), (IColor(50, 190, 220), "Sky Blue"), (IColor(95, 36, 147), "Deep Purple"), (IColor(185, 125, 235), "Bright Purple"), (IColor(140, 70, 180), "Light Purple"), (IColor(230, 180, 20), "Flame Yellow"), (IColor(230, 110, 20), "Flame Orange"), (IColor(230, 60, 20), "Flame Red"), (IColor(20, 90, 230), "Hyper Blue"), (IColor(20, 230, 90), "Hyper Green"), (IColor(230, 20, 90), "Hyper Red"), (IColor(215, 150, 45), "Amber"), (IColor(75, 200, 35), "Lime Green"), #(IColor(28, 88, 34), "Emerald Green"), (BIColor(1, 66, 37) , "British Racing Green"), (IColor(245, 170, 30), "Insignia Yellow"), (IColor(85, 40, 90), "Royal Purple"), (IColor(240, 120, 180), "Pink"), (IColor(250, 80, 140), "Hot Pink"), (IColor(230, 210, 200), "Champagne"), (IColor(180, 210, 240), "Sheer Blue"), (IColor(240, 200, 140), "Yellow Ochre"), (IColor(174, 210, 123), "Celadon Green"), (IColor(128, 188, 230), "Aqua Blue"), ]
cp = CandyPaint()
outputs += [ '=CandyMetal', CandyPaint(cp(version='metal')), '=CandyDiffuse', CandyPaint(cp(version='diffuse')), ]
for clr, name in colors: if P9Mode: ver = 'scatter' else: ver = 'diffuse' p = cp(color=clr, version=ver, baseBlur=2) mat = CandyPaint(p) outputs += [ 'Candy Paint/=%s Candy Paint' % name, mat ] mat = CandyPaint(p(glitter=.3)) outputs += [ 'Candy Glitter/=%s Candy Glitter' % name, mat ]
mat = CandyPaint(p(satinFlame=.6)) outputs += [ 'Candy Satin Flame/=%s Candy Satin Flame' % name, mat ]
aclr = clr ** 1.1 lum = max(aclr[0], aclr[1], aclr[2]) ** 2.2 bv = min(.93 / lum, 2) mat = CandyPaint(p(color=aclr, baseColor=Blend(WHITE, clr, .15), ior=2, baseValue=bv, reflQuality=.3)) outputs += [ 'Crazy Paint/=%s Crazy Paint' % name, mat ] p = p(baseBlur=.01) mat = CandyPaint(p(version='metal')) outputs += [ 'Candy Silver/=%s Candy Silver' % name, mat ]
mat = CandyPaint(p(version='metal', baseBlur=4)) outputs += [ 'Candy Silver Blur/=%s Candy Silver Blur' % name, mat ]
mat = CandyPaint(p(version='metal', baseFresnel=.95, baseColor=IColor(255, 215, 150))) outputs += [ 'Candy Gold/=%s Candy Gold' % name, mat ]
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Quote - The code looks like this.
colors = [ (IColor(50, 50, 50), 'Black'), (IColor(230, 230, 230), 'White'), (IColor(25, 25, 85), 'Midnight Blue'), (IColor(60, 5, 5), "Deep Red"), (IColor(100, 10, 35), "Burgundy Red"), (IColor(228, 184, 201), "Pale Pink"), (IColor(217, 236, 255), "Powder Blue"), (IColor(65, 40, 45), "Cordovan"), (IColor(100, 115, 100), "Williamsburg Green"), (IColor(91, 110, 126), "Limestone Blue"), (IColor(128, 136, 87), "Monkey Green"), (IColor(143, 108, 108), "Hemlock Rose"), (IColor(212, 167, 95), "Honeysuckle"), (IColor(240, 225, 206), "Cream"), (IColor(245, 223, 173), "Wheat"), (IColor(93, 128, 162), "Rustic Blue"), (IColor(190, 200, 180), "Farmhouse Green"), (IColor(180, 180, 180), "Gray"), (IColor(0xcd, 0x85, 0x3f), "Peru"), (IColor(0xd8, 0xbf, 0xd8), "Thistle"), (IColor(0xff, 0xeb, 0xcd) * .9, "Almond"), (IColor(107, 107, 30), "Olive"), (IColor(30, 127, 127), "Teal"), (IColor(235, 129, 129), "Coral"), (IColor(139, 69, 19), "Chocolate"), (IColor(206, 183, 70), "Goldenrod"), (IColor(200, 25, 25), "Red"), (IColor(150, 25, 25), "Cherry Red"), (IColor(50, 190, 220), "Sky Blue"), (IColor(95, 36, 147), "Deep Purple"), (IColor(185, 125, 235), "Bright Purple"), (IColor(140, 70, 180), "Light Purple"), (IColor(230, 180, 20), "Flame Yellow"), (IColor(230, 110, 20), "Flame Orange"), (IColor(230, 60, 20), "Flame Red"), (IColor(20, 90, 230), "Hyper Blue"), (IColor(20, 230, 90), "Hyper Green"), (IColor(230, 20, 90), "Hyper Red"), (IColor(215, 150, 45), "Amber"), (IColor(75, 200, 35), "Lime Green"), #(IColor(28, 88, 34), "Emerald Green"), (BIColor(1, 66, 37) , "British Racing Green"), (IColor(245, 170, 30), "Insignia Yellow"), (IColor(85, 40, 90), "Royal Purple"), (IColor(240, 120, 180), "Pink"), (IColor(250, 80, 140), "Hot Pink"), (IColor(230, 210, 200), "Champagne"), (IColor(180, 210, 240), "Sheer Blue"), (IColor(240, 200, 140), "Yellow Ochre"), (IColor(174, 210, 123), "Celadon Green"), (IColor(128, 188, 230), "Aqua Blue"), ]
cp = CandyPaint()
outputs += [ '=CandyMetal', CandyPaint(cp(version='metal')), '=CandyDiffuse', CandyPaint(cp(version='diffuse')), ]
for clr, name in colors: if P9Mode: ver = 'scatter' else: ver = 'diffuse' p = cp(color=clr, version=ver, baseBlur=2) mat = CandyPaint(p) outputs += [ 'Candy Paint/=%s Candy Paint' % name, mat ] mat = CandyPaint(p(glitter=.3)) outputs += [ 'Candy Glitter/=%s Candy Glitter' % name, mat ]
mat = CandyPaint(p(satinFlame=.6)) outputs += [ 'Candy Satin Flame/=%s Candy Satin Flame' % name, mat ]
aclr = clr ** 1.1 lum = max(aclr[0], aclr[1], aclr[2]) ** 2.2 bv = min(.93 / lum, 2) mat = CandyPaint(p(color=aclr, baseColor=Blend(WHITE, clr, .15), ior=2, baseValue=bv, reflQuality=.3)) outputs += [ 'Crazy Paint/=%s Crazy Paint' % name, mat ] p = p(baseBlur=.01) mat = CandyPaint(p(version='metal')) outputs += [ 'Candy Silver/=%s Candy Silver' % name, mat ]
mat = CandyPaint(p(version='metal', baseBlur=4)) outputs += [ 'Candy Silver Blur/=%s Candy Silver Blur' % name, mat ]
mat = CandyPaint(p(version='metal', baseFresnel=.95, baseColor=IColor(255, 215, 150))) outputs += [ 'Candy Gold/=%s Candy Gold' % name, mat ]
Would love to get the Candy Paint since I missed to original posting of it....but what is that above?
Cherokee, that's an example of what it's like when you don't have a user interface and have to code every color.
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Quote - > Quote - I wish I had something like it for the other materials that I could use for my models.
I'm moving in that direction. Until P9/PP2012 was widely in use, there were poor options for user interface. Now we have wx and it is very easy to build a good UI.
This candy paint project will probably be the last one in which I deliver hundreds of shaders and I have to guess what colors you'll want and which variations are worth generating. Instead I'll deliver software that builds the shaders. I'm using that now but it has no UI - I have to write code for each new thing I want to do.
Wow.. a UI, I would be soooo all over that! And I"m following the development of your shaders pack with avid fan girl interest!
Quote - I was just playing around with the simple Pearl shader using Poser Pro 2010. But I can't find a Scatter node to add to the Alternate Diffuse. Is Scatter something new in PP2012 or something old that's been discontinued? Is there something else I can use in PP2010 to approximate the effect?
The scatter node is unique to Poser 9/2012 and is new :(. If you want to approximate it in Pro 2010 you may have to use translucence and fast scatter. I know it's not really a good compromise. Laurie
Quote - There is a scatter node in Poser8/Pro 2012.
I think you mean Pro 2010. And not that I know of. There is Fastscatter, which is old and was rather a "fake."
I haven't looked at BB's shader. Maybe it's not actually a genuine node, but one of his "manufactured" boxes incorporating a bunch of stuff?
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Hardware: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X/MSI MAG570 Tomahawk X570/Zotac Geforce GTX 1650 Super 4GB/32GB OLOy RAM
Software: Windows 10 Professional/Poser Pro 11/Photoshop/Postworkshop 3
I took a quick look at this.
It seems that there actually was a Scatter node in P8 / PP2010 but it wasn't documented. A dir() of the poser Python object reveals a poser.kNodeTypeCodeSCATTER node.
While the node wasn't made available in the UI it looks as though the coincidental node name has caused it to be created when applying BB's shader.
My guess is that this was an abortive attempt at SSS which was dropped when SM realised a more radical approach was needed.
The node does actually work, in the sense that it contributes to the render. The results, though, are what you'd expect from something unfinished and undocumented ... nonsense.
Does make you wonder what else is lurking undocumented in the code :-)
Free stuff @ https://poser.cobrablade.net/
Snarly has it. SM often tries something in a given release, finds it needs more work, and they just hide it, but the code is still there.
IDL was the same - it was actually present in Poser 7, but not officially present until Poser 8.
And in Poser 9, there is a new hair node which, being that it didn't work right, got pulled out, but the code is there. Perhaps we'll see it Poser 10 or 11. At which point, loading a P10 shader into P9 wil reveal that the node type is there. When that happens, I'm sure somebody will try it in P9 and start a confusing discussion of the existing hair node, versus the new one.
Similarly, we just learned that the Scatter node type is there in P8/PP2010. I didn't know that. It should not be confused with FastScatter - a different node, with the same word in its name.
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I've been twiddling with opalescent / pearlescent shaders for a while now here and there. Nothing like these though
Heres a nice bead store that sells freshwater pearls in fantabulous colours and tiny amounts. I've bought some from there .. some very interesting subtleties to the colours in rl. Photos never do pearls justice
http://www.eebeads.com/_freshpearls.htm
I do want to try splicing your candy colours with my (old now) chromalusion colours and see what happens. You can google chromalusion for images .. its a very funky colour-depending-on-angle paint setup from DuPont. Hideously expensive
Lyrra
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I think it looks really neat monkeycloud ;) I like it much better than the orange ;)
Laurie