Y-Phil posted at 2:25 PM Thu, 22 September 2022 - #4445054

Oh and red viper also provides with feg II a nice blush mask for the cheeks

Yeah, if I use V4, but I don't think it will work on Miki. Unless I can reverse engineer it.

I will try that later on. Right now I am trying to fake wet clothing. I did it once in post, but that was only for the bottom of a skirt. I will have to do some morph brush work too, so that the clothing clings tightly to the body. Seems I am talking my way into a solutioin.

Anyway, this one was done in post:

Oh you'll need to re-adapt the blush mask but it's doeable

Will I need to make any changes to the mask, or just the material setup? I have been messing with the gown I have Miki wearing. I did some morph brush work to push the cloth so it looks like it's sticking to her skin. And I am adding an edge blend trying to simulate a wet look. I lowered the specular, but I may have to start playing with masks. I used a noise node to add transparency. I will eventually hit on the right setup...

rokket posted at 12:33 PM Fri, 23 September 2022 - #4445115

Will I need to make any changes to the mask, or just the material setup? I have been messing with the gown I have Miki wearing. I did some morph brush work to push the cloth so it looks like it's sticking to her skin. And I am adding an edge blend trying to simulate a wet look. I lowered the specular, but I may have to start playing with masks. I used a noise node to add transparency. I will eventually hit on the right setup...

That seems easy. I am rendering my wet dress now. I think I achieved the desired effect. I will find out. Preliminary renders looked promising, but still too grainy to really judge.

So I keep rendering, checking, stopping, tweaking, rendering, checking...

I think now I am finally satisfied enough to let it render out and maybe I'll post it. Waiting for the render is really boring.

Crappity.

I keep trying to make it wet looking, but instead I am making it look like a satin evening gown....

Maybe I have to reverse the edge blend.

Ok, does this dress look wet?

If I was going to do this as a scene, I would put a mask on the ground plane that is acting as the lake water and put ripples around her.

The dress could use a mask to simulate skin contact in certain places.  I recall a very old tutorial for a wet t-shirt.  I don't know if it can be found in the Rendo archives.

I used the morph brush and actually have the dress making contact with most areas I thought it would make contact if it was wet and sagging. I will check to see if I can find that tutorial.

Both Hongyu's Shirt and Roogna's WeTshirt are using transparency maps, indeed.

I have a transparency setup, and I am using two edge blend nodes. I was using a noise node for the trans map, but I took it off. I am rendering again.

Both Hongyu's Shirt and Roogna's WeTshirt are using transparency maps, indeed.

Never mind. I found both of those names in the market place here. The Roogna market didn't include the WeTshirt, though...

I will experiment with some maps and see what I come up with.

I did a quick google and I got this from a different thread in the forum, it might help.  https://www.renderosity.com/forums/threads/2690368

I did a quick google and I got this from a different thread in the forum, it might help.  https://www.renderosity.com/forums/threads/2690368

Roogna's: https://www.renderosity.com/rr/mod/bcs/?ViewProduct=72477

Hongyu's: https://www.renderosity.com/rr/mod/bcs/?ViewProduct=91404

Roogna's: https://www.renderosity.com/rr/mod/bcs/?ViewProduct=72477

Hongyu's: https://www.renderosity.com/rr/mod/bcs/?ViewProduct=91404

This isn't working the way I want it to. I can't buy those shirts, but I wish I could get a look at the trans maps for the wet texture. I tried a couple different ways, but I am not sure how they are fashioned. I can't seem to get it right.

This isn't working the way I want it to. I can't buy those shirts, but I wish I could get a look at the trans maps for the wet texture. I tried a couple different ways, but I am not sure how they are fashioned. I can't seem to get it right.

Yeah, I figured that much out. I don't want to go through all of that, but I think I got a pretty good wet dress out of it anyhow. I am running a render and I'll post as soon as I get it done.

The map I made is just a test. I saved all the GIMP files so that I could redo it fairly easy if I am not completely satisfied with how they turn out. But I looked at the render that is about 2/3 of the way to completion, and I like what I am seeing.

I think I may have to include a mask on her skin shader so that the water droplets don't come through the dress and look fake. I would have to remove the water from the cycles shader on her body where the dress is covering her.

Definitely getting closer to what I wanted.

And, no I didn't let the render finish...

That's not bad. Though her shoulder bends make me want to barf. Most Poser figure's shoulders do. Kind of defeats the purpose of a PBR renderer... but I know that one falls on cognitive dissonant ears.

Well done.

Also would probably look better if you didn't always use such lo res textures on your landscape elements. One way to get around the high texture res hit is to compose your landscape elements of many smaller parts rather than 1 or 2 large pieces with, say, 4k textures.

...though now that I think of it a 8k texture by itself is probably less resource heavy than a few 4k textures.

rokket posted at 11:57 AM Sun, 25 September 2022 - #4445236

Definitely getting closer to what I wanted.

And, no I didn't let the render finish...

Also would probably look better if you didn't always use such lo res textures on your landscape elements. One way to get around the high texture res hit is to compose your landscape elements of many smaller parts rather than 1 or 2 large pieces with, say, 4k textures.

Awesome! 😆☝️

;)

As a conversational aside, knowing that you use Wings mostly, I just downloaded the latest version and it performs way better than whatever version I was using. Maybe I accidentally installed the 32 bit version last time because this installation is like night and day above what I had installed. Very nice. The forced drag docking of the UV editor was driving me crazy, solved in this version. Plus graphically much prettier. I was a bit worried about Wings for a minute there, I mean it's getting buried by Blender but for some things it's just much faster.

Anyway.

When I said "compose" earlier I meant putting the landscapes together. Not making them. So for instance you could take a few smaller grassy rocks and such and combine them together so that the textures aren't so obviously pixelated. See what I'm saying?

Oh, yeah! You were talking about that Double Hill prop I have been sneaking into my renders since I got it when I was in Poser 9!

I did update the textures for it, but I didn't bother to use them this time around. Probably should have. That texture is pretty bad.

That render looks great.  Looks like you solved your wet clothing problem.

That render looks great.  Looks like you solved your wet clothing problem.

Is it possible to share the secret of wet clothing? In Poser, I mean? Please?

It's all in the way it fits, which is that it clings to the skin, so you use the morph brush to tighten it to the body. After that, it's the transparency maps that do the work. From there it's a lot of tweaking in the material room.

Some of the clothing that was shared in this thread uses layered texture maps with a fake skin embedded in in the map to give off the illusion of wet cloth clinging to the skin. I just used the morph brush and several attempts at transparency maps until I got it right.

OK, thanks.

You can do it in the cloth room too if you're comfortable using it. Increase the cloth density and the air dampening.

You can do it in the cloth room too if you're comfortable using it. Increase the cloth density and the air dampening.

Just doing something while I work out a couple of issues in my head. Thought it might be fun. There is only one light in the scene, a spotlight I am using to fake the street lamp, since they didn't include an actual lamp in the prop. I plugged that texture into V4 and set the ambient to .5 on her skin and to 5 on her eyes and sclera. I used Simon casual and one of his Poser 9 poses that I had to tweak.

Nice render.  I suggest that you place a very low-intensity lamp toward Simon's position from where V4 is tinted the same color as the emission.  The surrounding area, including the figure, will catch some of the light spill-over making the scene a little more interesting.

I didn't save the pz2. But if I do make something like this again, I'll take that into account.

I think I will redo it anyhow. And make it a less thematically dark scene.

The problem with using the ambient setting on the PoserSurface node is the potential of washing out textures if the ambient value is too high.  To work around this, you can surround the figure/object with a primitive, crank up the emission, and under the Properties tab, make the surrounding primitive not visible in the camera.  You can even change the primitive's emission color for a cool-looking color.  This will only work for Superfly renders.

I am not cranking them up that high. I kind of wanted the eyes to wash out a little bit. But I am running a second render right now and I am fairly happy.

I don't know. I think the first one was better...

I don't know. I think the first one was better...

I'm loving this one, in particular the woman's movement and pose, except maybe. IMO slightly bend further the woman's head (but I may be wrong!)

I washed out her eyes a little bit (on purpose), so it's hard to tell that she is looking right at James.