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Subject: Show your Poser 13 renders!


shvrdavid ( ) posted Thu, 18 May 2023 at 1:34 PM · edited Thu, 18 May 2023 at 1:34 PM

Quarker hair I found in my Runtimes so far... I may have more, but not sure where they would be hiding in terabytes of stuff...

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Sapphire Fox, Babydoll, and Radiant Jaguar. And the Grace Lion one I posted earlier. Babydoll has some scalp issues in P13, but nothing that cant be fixed by simple hiding the scalp.

I probably have hundreds if not thousands of hair models.... Some of which I may have only briefly tested than never used again....



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vopehov506 ( ) posted Thu, 18 May 2023 at 1:39 PM · edited Thu, 18 May 2023 at 1:39 PM

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Little Air and Light testing with optix .....

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Y-Phil ( ) posted Thu, 18 May 2023 at 1:41 PM

Babydoll is a dress in a my runtimes t5L353Lf7mubVCaRc8R7fEDZQn4P6GcRqCYvUBdS.gif
And no traces of Sapphire Fox. They look great.

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ghostship2 ( ) posted Thu, 18 May 2023 at 3:26 PM

Sapphire Fox is one of my all time favorite hair pieces to use. Looks great, tons of morphs, and renders fast.

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hborre ( ) posted Thu, 18 May 2023 at 5:13 PM · edited Thu, 18 May 2023 at 5:13 PM
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I'm going to consider this render officially done.  Based on an AI image I generated through the Bing Image Generator, I tweaked this scene in P13 until I was satisfied.  Much of the ivy on the mausoleum was generated in the Ivy Generator program, an app that I may be revisiting in the future.  The moon is actually an object with enhanced moonlighting with an area light.  I gave it the PostFX treatment with increased contrast and some glow, in addition to a slight blur affect.

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vopehov507 ( ) posted Thu, 18 May 2023 at 5:51 PM · edited Thu, 18 May 2023 at 5:51 PM

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She is very Special !!!! Poser13 GPU Optix Render


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vopehov507 ( ) posted Thu, 18 May 2023 at 5:56 PM

This will be my Last post after the Act of Renderosity banning my Original "vopehov506" account !!!! Hope you enjoy it . And Please do not Ban accounts by keeping Renders and Tutorials that do not belong to you in your forums and also using these for own Marketing purposes. 


shvrdavid ( ) posted Thu, 18 May 2023 at 7:01 PM · edited Thu, 18 May 2023 at 7:02 PM

vopehov507 posted at 5:56 PM Thu, 18 May 2023 - #4465733

This will be my Last post after the Act of Renderosity banning my Original "vopehov506" account !!!!

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vopehov507 ( ) posted Thu, 18 May 2023 at 7:47 PM

Thank you Scott


shvrdavid ( ) posted Thu, 18 May 2023 at 8:12 PM · edited Thu, 18 May 2023 at 8:16 PM

vopehov507 posted at 7:47 PM Thu, 18 May 2023 - #4465737

Thank you Scott

Your welcome

I know that you will be back, and then give away who you are with your posts....

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shvrdavid ( ) posted Fri, 19 May 2023 at 12:17 AM

More doodles with LaFemme.

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GiveitUp ( ) posted Fri, 19 May 2023 at 2:43 AM · edited Fri, 19 May 2023 at 7:20 AM

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Is it mandatory here that the skin has to look like woodchip wallpaper?  No signs of life on their faces? Static, emotionless facial expressions like the facade of a skyscraper?Eyes staring straight ahead, like the front of an 86 VW Golf?  You all have so much more knowledge and experience with Poser, rendering and such than I do.  But I can't see your hearts. It's a bit sad that there is so little that touches you emotionall. Fuck how great the hair looks, there are only two or three really good models anyway. The only courage I see here are naked models, which also somehow look cheap. Sorry...JR5ttKaPShIEGpQP2uKen1F4KUUsccDCvsQoGv7J.jpg


blackbonner ( ) posted Fri, 19 May 2023 at 8:45 AM · edited Fri, 19 May 2023 at 8:48 AM

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@JanusJsenwark Woodchip wallpaper like skin, blank stare and emotionless eyes are really a problem, I give you that.
I was experimenting with my sky dom textures and some lighting.
This was lit by a point light and my Clear Blue Sky Texture.
The Dom is emitting small amount light at a value of 0.02 
For the point light I digged up an old tip from BagginsBill.
The light uses my Dom Texture, connected be a color math node in conjunction with a math function node.
The intensitvity of the light is balanced to avoid over exposure in the highlights.
I think this setting does make a pretty nice sun light.
The direct shadows are slightly blue tinted, the secondary lights are reflecting the flesh tone and the color of the swim suit.  
The eyes turned out quite well and life like, if I may say so.
What do you think?



ghostship2 ( ) posted Fri, 19 May 2023 at 9:30 AM

@JanusJsenwark you must have missed this post of mine on April 20

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Y-Phil ( ) posted Fri, 19 May 2023 at 11:13 AM
blackbonner posted at 8:45 AM Fri, 19 May 2023 - #4465776


@JanusJsenwark Woodchip wallpaper like skin, blank stare and emotionless eyes are really a problem, I give you that.
I was experimenting with my sky dom textures and some lighting.
This was lit by a point light and my Clear Blue Sky Texture.
The Dom is emitting small amount light at a value of 0.02 
For the point light I digged up an old tip from BagginsBill.
The light uses my Dom Texture, connected be a color math node in conjunction with a math function node.
The intensitvity of the light is balanced to avoid over exposure in the highlights.
I think this setting does make a pretty nice sun light.
The direct shadows are slightly blue tinted, the secondary lights are reflecting the flesh tone and the color of the swim suit.  
The eyes turned out quite well and life like, if I may say so.
What do you think?


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Y-Phil ( ) posted Fri, 19 May 2023 at 11:13 AM
ghostship2 posted at 9:30 AM Fri, 19 May 2023 - #4465780


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GiveitUp ( ) posted Fri, 19 May 2023 at 1:58 PM · edited Fri, 19 May 2023 at 1:58 PM

I didn't mean it badly. But that's all way too technical for me, here's a little blue, 0.02 of that a little... where's the fun, the beautiful and interesting? Maybe I'm not in the right place. I'll keep my mouth shut in the future. Sometimes I piss myself off.fcTGbxA8YASXNRYFfI3IBVbaLw4K1AjAOyhstPVN.jpg3EZKu9nan64KuEMjszqQGuVILUMyusaXBWB77cDu.jpg


GiveitUp ( ) posted Fri, 19 May 2023 at 2:03 PM

Now I'm getting technical. That's 400,000 balls, over 6 million polygons. OK that's all.... :)


Rhia474 ( ) posted Fri, 19 May 2023 at 2:15 PM

What you are asking about is art. Maybe the galleries are better from that standpoint (if you can sort through the AI ones).



blackbonner ( ) posted Fri, 19 May 2023 at 3:27 PM

@JanusJsenwark I think the technically is part of the fun and excitement of working with Poser to achieve something that comes close to what I had in mind at the beginning of that process. In case of my last picture I wanted a picture of a girl posing in a outdoor setting on a sunny day. If you can "feel" the sun on here skin, my mission is accomplish. If not, tell me what's missing and I will try again. If you keep your mouth shut, I can't grow, not in the technical sense and especially not as an artist.

So, please don't shut up, instead just tell me what's missing in your opinion.  Thanks!


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blackbonner posted at 3:27 PM Fri, 19 May 2023 - #4465806

@JanusJsenwark I think the technically is part of the fun and excitement of working with Poser to achieve something that comes close to what I had in mind at the beginning of that process. In case of my last picture I wanted a picture of a girl posing in a outdoor setting on a sunny day. If you can "feel" the sun on here skin, my mission is accomplish. If not, tell me what's missing and I will try again. If you keep your mouth shut, I can't grow, not in the technical sense and especially not as an artist.

So, please don't shut up, instead just tell me what's missing in your opinion.  Thanks!

I would agree, there is no need to stay quiet, it was a fair question and the more viewpoints the better and anyway, I love your creations.

 

 

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RedPhantom ( ) posted Fri, 19 May 2023 at 8:10 PM
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Thalek ( ) posted Fri, 19 May 2023 at 9:30 PM · edited Fri, 19 May 2023 at 9:34 PM

shvrdavid posted at 1:34 PM Thu, 18 May 2023 - #4465705

Quarker hair I found in my Runtimes so far... I may have more, but not sure where they would be hiding in terabytes of stuff...

Sapphire Fox, Babydoll, and Radiant Jaguar. And the Grace Lion one I posted earlier. Babydoll has some scalp issues in P13, but nothing that cant be fixed by simple hiding the scalp.

I probably have hundreds if not thousands of hair models.... Some of which I may have only briefly tested than never used again....

I have the same problem with finding stuff.  Even using the PzDB database, I still sometimes stumble over stuff I didn't realize I had. I'm heavily dependent, so the fact that something went wrong five days ago has me dismayed.  I was going to double-check to see if I ever posted the final version of  my tattoo material layer (which I used to update Shana's Inked Poser compatible volumes).  Instead, I've been wrestling with trying to repair my PzDB installation. (For those who have it too, it turns out the only truly essential file is PzDB1ItemIndex.dat.  Everything else can be regenerated or re-installed, but that one is the actual catalog.)

Edited to add: if you know the name of some of the files or want to search by date or some other enhanced capabilities, I recommend VoidTools "Everything" search engine, indexer and database. Both free versions and a modest fee version are available.


RAMWorks ( ) posted Sat, 20 May 2023 at 11:15 AM
JanusJsenwark posted at 1:58 PM Fri, 19 May 2023 - #4465794

I didn't mean it badly. But that's all way too technical for me, here's a little blue, 0.02 of that a little... where's the fun, the beautiful and interesting? Maybe I'm not in the right place. I'll keep my mouth shut in the future. Sometimes I piss myself off.fcTGbxA8YASXNRYFfI3IBVbaLw4K1AjAOyhstPVN.jpg3EZKu9nan64KuEMjszqQGuVILUMyusaXBWB77cDu.jpg

These renders are just STUNNING.  And no tits or nipples.  YAY!  LOL

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blackbonner ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 4:00 AM

JanusJsenwark posted at 1:58 PM Fri, 19 May 2023 - #4465794

I didn't mean it badly. But that's all way too technical for me, here's a little blue, 0.02 of that a little... where's the fun, the beautiful and interesting? Maybe I'm not in the right place. I'll keep my mouth shut in the future. Sometimes I piss myself off.fcTGbxA8YASXNRYFfI3IBVbaLw4K1AjAOyhstPVN.jpg3EZKu9nan64KuEMjszqQGuVILUMyusaXBWB77cDu.jpg

Let me guess, you posed the figure in Poser, exported it as an obj file into blender, used the particle system to distribute the balls, maybe there is a collision simulation involved.

Am I close?

Anyways, the result looks pretty impressive and really out of the ordinary, not the tits and ass stuff, which I'm doing myself quite often.


GiveitUp ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 6:12 AM

4v2QQe1IgfknzV0kDCiJa99hI2HobyzloTh4Yr4m.jpgI made the whole thing with poser 13 only. The bullets are from here: ( https://3dsky.org/3dmodels?types=free&types=om&query=galaxy ) Lined up several of them in Poser. 2x subdivision and a gold shader on it.... Its free but registration... 3 free items a day .... Top Quality!


blackbonner ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 6:23 AM

Ah, I see...not even close.
Anyway, that would be my take on this, if I had to make this picture.
May I ask who do you made the tear drop?


RAMWorks ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 9:56 AM

Nice but the nail beds are way over bumped.  That should be turned much lower.  You can't even get an reflective or specular feedback from it that high.  Just my opinion!

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shvrdavid ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 11:24 AM
Thalek posted at 9:30 PM Fri, 19 May 2023 - #4465848

I recommend VoidTools "Everything" search engine, indexer and database. Both free versions and a modest fee version are available.

I use Everything, very handy indeed. It is far faster than Windows search, even if you have to wait on it to reindex the entire system because you don't load it with Windows.





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Y-Phil ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 11:59 AM · edited Sun, 21 May 2023 at 11:59 AM

shvrdavid posted at 11:24 AM Sun, 21 May 2023 - #4465999

Thalek posted at 9:30 PM Fri, 19 May 2023 - #4465848

I recommend VoidTools "Everything" search engine, indexer and database. Both free versions and a modest fee version are available.

I use Everything, very handy indeed. It is far faster than Windows search, even if you have to wait on it to reindex the entire system because you don't load it with Windows.

Everything loaded 100% of the time mbHwnQBvls7vORG1VGMdMz5MRAbLPUcwFOM10olW.png

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RedPhantom ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 2:17 PM · edited Sun, 21 May 2023 at 2:17 PM
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finally got a chance to make another image


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Y-Phil ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 2:37 PM · edited Sun, 21 May 2023 at 2:37 PM
RedPhantom posted at 2:17 PM Sun, 21 May 2023 - #4466009


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finally got a chance to make another image

What a beautiful, quiet and peaceful place ❤

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GiveitUp ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 3:23 PM
blackbonner posted at 6:23 AM Sun, 21 May 2023 - #4465969

Ah, I see...not even close.
Anyway, that would be my take on this, if I had to make this picture.
May I ask who do you made the tear drop?

The drop is....( https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/129800/bookworm )  $5.99 USD --------- a bit morphing, a bit shading.vgbungK1IGduh4L47ofiqmAH69ZFVNm2nrd3CfkZ.jpg



GiveitUp ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 3:24 PM

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GiveitUp ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 3:36 PM · edited Sun, 21 May 2023 at 3:36 PM

My nails are bumpy?????DifF86HwCYPqmnOq09VdzZXBsAyyAk3I91ZOk0sT.jpg


GiveitUp ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 3:46 PM

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GiveitUp ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 3:53 PM · edited Sun, 21 May 2023 at 4:27 PM

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Is ther only one bump?....oopsomuYwn0Yc3X5EpwikW3DToqlHYC1jjZTlS2FDvue.jpg


GiveitUp ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 4:05 PM

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it's so hard for me to hold myself back...BXFRRjbCtna9P3HuuNecBbLx3ZjUVPhr8Y6kZrNe.jpg


Y-Phil ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 4:10 PM
JanusJsenwark posted at 3:53 PM Sun, 21 May 2023 - #4466034

Is ther only one bump?....oops

Honestly, nobody needs your vulgarities, I think that you'd better get some rest, thanks in advance.


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GiveitUp ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 4:32 PM
Y-Phil posted at 4:10 PM Sun, 21 May 2023 - #4466039
JanusJsenwark posted at 3:53 PM Sun, 21 May 2023 - #4466034

Is ther only one bump?....oops

Honestly, nobody needs your vulgarities, I think that you'd better get some rest, thanks in advance.


You're right! It will never happen again. I promise it.


Necos ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 5:28 PM

JanusJsenwark posted at 3:36 PM Sun, 21 May 2023 - #4466032

My nails are bumpy?????DifF86HwCYPqmnOq09VdzZXBsAyyAk3I91ZOk0sT.jpg


JanusJsenwark posted at 3:46 PM Sun, 21 May 2023 - #4466033

Better???qSIBMKpoedjhi8bbL01AeEWa3RUR9tEGFscmqK1d.jpg


JanusJsenwark posted at 3:53 PM Sun, 21 May 2023 - #4466034

Is ther only one bump?....oopsomuYwn0Yc3X5EpwikW3DToqlHYC1jjZTlS2FDvue.jpg


JanusJsenwark posted at 4:05 PM Sun, 21 May 2023 - #4466036

it's so hard for me to hold myself back...BXFRRjbCtna9P3HuuNecBbLx3ZjUVPhr8Y6kZrNe.jpg


As for the render them selves Poser could offer a way better feature and results but this also depends on the model quality and texture qualities .... The Comic the mimic is fabulous, unbeaten in here and very entertaining. A little working on the quality of the renders and they would be perfect for sure ! 

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shvrdavid ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 5:30 PM
Necos posted at 5:28 PM Sun, 21 May 2023 - #4466052

Welcome back.........



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Rhia474 ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 5:30 PM

Omg, wow.


shvrdavid ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 5:46 PM · edited Sun, 21 May 2023 at 5:48 PM

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Dusted off Pauline. I have not rendered anything with her in a while.

Combination of my morphs and Ero's. Biscuit's hair with Ghostship shader on it. Tempesta3D textures that I tweaked on Pauline.



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Rhia474 ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 5:53 PM

Sweet, that is a very natural face, in the sense of 'normal', if you know what I mean.


shvrdavid ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 5:56 PM
Rhia474 posted at 5:53 PM Sun, 21 May 2023 - #4466059

Sweet, that is a very natural face, in the sense of 'normal', if you know what I mean.

Thanks. We could use some normalcy around here... 



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shvrdavid ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 6:59 PM

Here is one I just added to my gallery.

It is titled "A moment of Silence", fitting actually....

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This is Lafemme btw...



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Hemall ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 7:23 PM · edited Wed, 24 May 2023 at 6:23 PM

Some surfing

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Nevertrumper ( ) posted Sun, 21 May 2023 at 9:28 PM
JanusJsenwark posted at 3:24 PM Sun, 21 May 2023 - #4466030

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O.k, that is outstanding. Good job.


hornet3d ( ) posted Mon, 22 May 2023 at 12:42 AM
shvrdavid posted at 5:46 PM Sun, 21 May 2023 - #4466058

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Dusted off Pauline. I have not rendered anything with her in a while.

Combination of my morphs and Ero's. Biscuit's hair with Ghostship shader on it. Tempesta3D textures that I tweaked on Pauline.

Oh, I do like that, Pauline seems to be almost forgotten right from her inception.

 

 

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